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Post by theresonly1keano on Aug 18, 2005 17:56:02 GMT -5
I do believe this has already been addressed... Oh yes, it has hasn't it? This RPG is as canon as possible. So if Rowling doesn't mention it, we don't either. Its not being 'homophobic', its staying as true to the books as possible, without the original characters and plot.
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Post by melody1138 on Aug 18, 2005 19:04:47 GMT -5
thank you ashley. i'm going to check if i got any replies, then deleting my account. this site's not worth my time.
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Post by Professor Berton on Aug 18, 2005 20:12:35 GMT -5
Leave then! stop complaining damnit! ive had eneough of you gays complaining to me! i dont give a shit! We have allready discussed this and its over. I have been on many Role play sites, many harry potter ones and not once did I find someone who was playing a homosexual.
Go make your own site.
Hogwarts school for gays, bi's, and Lesbians.
I wont come in and complain that I want to join because im straight. Its your choice, this is my choice. Everyone has an opinion. I like mine. Take it or leave it. I do not care!
sorry for having to be so angry and have an outburst. Its just ive gone over this many times and im not changing my opinion. So once again im very sorry for having to be mean and rude. Im not racist or have anything really against homosexuals. so have a jolly day.
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Post by alexiel on Aug 18, 2005 21:49:16 GMT -5
Leonor, you can stop being an ass already.
Melody, I'm with you.
And whatever. If you didn't want it to be an issue, you shouldn't have made an issue out of it.
I'm out.
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Post by Sean Falton on Aug 18, 2005 22:05:03 GMT -5
If you have an Issue, heres a tissue. peace out.
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Post by Melody on Aug 18, 2005 22:11:40 GMT -5
jackass. alexial's right. if you didn't want to make an issue out if it, why treat it like if you let one gay/lisbian on the site, it's going to kill it. no one's forcing you to chance your opinion, and no one's changing mine. and just because it's not said in the books, nor have you seen one played in RP, doesn't mean there are. so start growing a ponytail so you have something to hang onto when you pull your head out of your ass.
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Post by Sean Falton on Aug 18, 2005 23:32:47 GMT -5
atleast i can see my whole self in a mirror and i dont have to go into a fun house to see everything.
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Post by Professor Berton on Aug 18, 2005 23:34:36 GMT -5
be nice. if it wasnt out of charecter id take points. but Melody. Just leave and get on with it. dont cause trouble by posting here since you arnt a member.
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Post by Lorelai Evans on Aug 18, 2005 23:35:25 GMT -5
Please people- can you knock off the language! I'm starting to feel like I should go into politics-sheesh. When discussing an issue like this you have to understand there is no win-win situation. Not everyone can have what they want. It is natural for human beings to want what they can't have. Therefore people who want to make their characters gay/bi etc., if they got what they wanted, wouldn't be satisfied- soon they'd want to make R-rated threads, and the site would get out of control. Considering Proboards doesn't want sexually orientated content on their sites, the admin have every right to deny people to make gay/bi etc. characters. They want the site to stay on the internet. The admin aren't denying, as you people seem to think gays, bis and lesbians the right to go on this site either. they are simply denying them the right to make their characters that way. Like Berton said- if you don't like it go somewhere else. there is no way everyones rights can be met. You have to take religion into consideration too. In many religions same-sex relationships are frowned upon. So if the admin were to allow bis, gays, and lesbians on the site, they'd be forcing the very religious people to quit. You guys are expecting the owners of this site to make miracles- to satisfy everyone.
Just let me ask you guys this question: If nobody's perfect, how can you expect a website to be?
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Post by Who do you think on Aug 19, 2005 1:00:19 GMT -5
Why would very religious people be on a Hogwarts Roleplay site in the first place? Hogwarts=witchcraft which in turn =bad.
As a little reminder, you guys have to have a certain amount of members and have a certain growth rate of members every month for this board to remain active. Considering how two people have already left in one day, and the amount of bi-sexuals or asains on the other boards that won't be to happy with this rule, don't expect the site to stay up for long.
And Sean? Grow the fuck up.
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Post by Lorelai Evans on Aug 19, 2005 1:21:46 GMT -5
Again, as I mentioned on Toan's site, you people need to read in between the lines and stop jumping to conclusions. The term 'Religious' doesn't necessarily mean Christianity; it means all forms/types of religion. In some forms of religion, witchcraft isn't a bad thing. And it's only a bad thing if you actually believe in it, or wish it was real to gain power- then it is a bad thing. Also, I'm a christian, and I'm on here because it will help me improve my writing skills, thus my english mark will go up.
And considering the poll, which Professor Berton so kindly put up, there are more people against letting bis, gays and lesbians on the site than there are against it. Which is a sample of the poplation, meaning more people are going to agree with the way the site is ran. And it is Summer- people are on vacation still, and wanting to spend the last little bit of their holiday with their families. After we get into the school year, the site is bound to get more members as members of this site will tell their friends, whom they've had very little contact with over the past 2 months.
And, honey- the truth hurts- So don't get defensive about it. Like Berton said, don't cause trouble by posting here since you aren't a member.
Oh- and one more thing, that was a pretty poor defense considering all I wrote before you. And you didn't even have the common courtesy to answer my question.
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Post by Alexiel on Aug 19, 2005 2:10:09 GMT -5
I'm not the one who said Christian, you did, so therefore who is the one doing the assuming? Even the witchcraft part didn't offend, no very religious person would make a roleplay character, let alone a Hogwarts one. A very religious person would find something wrong with it, I guarentee it. One thing I can think of off of the top of my head is the portraits. Islamics (I believe) Are very against that. Other Muslim countries are against women who aren't full covered, which Hogwarts girls are not, NOT to mention they are getting an education. So saying that a very religious person might offended is rather mute, considering.
As for the poll, I will give you that. However, it could be all the admins voting on thier different characters, but then again it might not be. I don't know, and quite frankly I don't care. But the reasons for dumping it are lame to say the least.
Don't call me honey.
And if my old answer wasn't good enough for you? Okay. Here's more....:
If R-rated threads are so worried about, then don't allow them. You can't say that just because a guy would rather put it up another guy's tail, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be allowed. Sex is sex. Period. It doesn't matter whether it's gay sex, or hetero sex, it's still there. You don't want anything sexually oriented? Then don't allow it at all. Simple as that. It's not the type of pairing, but the actual content that makes rating. On the other site, there are R rated het threads too. I know. I wrote a lot of them. Proboards has nothing against gay people. I've made enough boards through them to know that.
As for school bringing more people? You're wrong. More people leave when school starts because of exams, projects, homework, and jobs. I have over two years of RPing under my belt to know that one. It's why one of the old boards fell apart. Believe it or not, not everyones world revolves around RP. It's something called a life. You might want to check into it.
So if that's all you have, I believe I've made my point nice and clear, and might I say have a good, homo-free life. Assholes.
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Post by Lorelai Evans on Aug 19, 2005 2:56:43 GMT -5
But some people in the greek kind of stuff do believe that witchcraft exists etc. The greek gods are involved with Divination and the sort. And there is nothing wrong with roleplaying. People don't look for faults in things either. My best friend who's dad is a Pastor/Minister for a church, is on several roleplaying sites. True, they are more medieval-type ones, but none the less. She is also trying to improve her english mark. Roleplaying is no better than acting, which many religious people do.
About school bringing in more members, that may be the case where your from but that's not how it works here. Then again, Canada has a higher education system-And I'm not slamming other countries, it's just a fact. What I wrote above about it being summer, also proves that I DO know that the whole world doesn't revolve around RPing- I've been trying to tell people that all summer. Oh ya- and I do have a life. It's pretty sad that you have to start insulting people to make your point too.
I'm not saying that I have anything against gays/bis/ lesbians either. I'm against what they do sure- but that doesn't mean they're not nice people to get along with. I'm just saying that not everyone can have what they want. Not everyone's rights can be dealt with. If they could, we'd be living in a perfect world. Still, you have not answered my question. if nobody's perfect, how can a website be? You people are asking to allow homo characters the right to be on this site, but if they were they'd be vioulating other's rights in some way, shape or form. No matter how long this debate goes on, there are going to be unhappy people in the end. So just quit arguing over this. It's pointless. What the admin want goes. End of Story. You don't like it- oh well. Life sucks.
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Post by Why This Indeed on Aug 19, 2005 9:26:47 GMT -5
Found out about this thread from someone here who's a member of my own proboard forum. I would like to address some of the issues here, objectively. Not here to start a fight, not here to slam anyone or take any sides, not even here to become a member, but just to put certain things in prespective.
I'm Asian, a Catholic by birth. I grew up with Chinese traditions(pagan rites to you) and Buddhism teachings (because my grandparents are Buddhists). I live in a country with Muslim as the main religion, so I know a bit about that too. And I'm heavily involved in costume roleplay. Do my Catholic priest say anything about it? No, because there's nothing in the good book against it. I'm not breaking any of the 10 commandments by engaging in costume roleplaying, because it is, afterall, 'playing'. Just like the church won't tell actors/actresses they can't play the role of Satan or a demon in a movie.
In fact the Catholic church don't even forbid me to practice my Chinese pagan rites, because its 'tradition' and not 'religion'.
Muslims do not eat, or touch, or even want to lay eyes on anything that has to do with the pig, as they consider it unclean. That's why in my country eating places are segregated into 'halal', where they don't sell pork, and food is prepared in accordance with the Muslim rites, and 'non-halal', meaning with pork and not suitable for Muslim consumption. Now some people may argue that how food can be considered 'not fit for consumption' by Muslims, since its still food, and everyone else who's not a Muslim eats it. Are Muslims superior? Are they on a higher plain? No it just means that they have their own way, and its not the same as the way of others. And we respect them for that and they respect us for wanting to eat Pork and we get on just fine. My country is probably one of the only few(if not the only one) in the world where many many different races with different religions, customs and believes live alongside each other in harmony and without conflict.
We pork eaters don't go into a 'halal' restaurant and demand that we get served pork, neither do a Muslim go into a 'non-halal' restaurant and demand that all prok be removed so they can eat there. If we want to have a meal together we all goto a place where they don't serve pork, where everyone can eat, although we pork eaters will have to curb our desire to eat pork for one meal, which is ok because we get to share a meal with our non-pork-eating friends...
Mutual respect & tolerance, that's what is preventing the 50 plus different ethnic groups in my counrty from descending into civil war and total mayhem...
Now if you want to attack me, go ahead...I can think of about 10 reasons why you would. But remember, your words become you...
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Post by Sean Falton on Aug 19, 2005 11:10:04 GMT -5
Actually a very religious person would be on this site as I am. so that rules that out. AND if you are going to argue, and make trouble, and give your point to a bunch of people who really dont care a whole lot. Then atleast stick to the topic and dont go on about pork and resteraunts.
They will not delete your site if you dont get more members. Ive had a family board fir us to send pictures to eachother and things and we only have about 20 members. its been liek that for 2 years or so and they have not deleted it. they wont either.
so honestly, just let it go. its not even liek your a member so whats the point. they arnt going to change the rule especially since you have all been arguing over it. it will make them feel like thay 'lost'. so since you dont like our opinions and dont liek talking to us just leave.
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